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Saturday, September 27, 2008

View From The Left Side

You know, when I was live-commenting at Althouse, I knew my instincts about the debate were right. So were those of many of the commenters there, who lean centre-right. Don't believe the pundits today, who wish to shore up their man because he did merely "okay".

McCain did a much better job during the debate.

He was more proficient in his references, statistics, and anecdotes.

At times, it even seemed like a total rout, with Senator Obama playing schoolchild to Senator Obama's past master. Of course, the Illinois Senator had his moments, but overall the presentation was frustrated, and overly hesitant just like I said real-time.

Don't believe me?

Check out the live-blogging at Eli Sanders' SLOG. In a quick poll before the debate began, his commenters came out as 99% Obama, 1% McCain. It's safe to say they lean Democratic.

This is the entire debate, in highlighted comments. If you think I played fast and loose with the excerpts, go check them out yourself.

6:06
[Comment From ica]
Wow, McCain went to Kennedy first.
6:06
[Comment From GrammarCop]
Ohhhhhh ... it was McCain who brought him up. Sneaky.

6:09 Eli Sanders: The visual contrast here is so striking. Young vs. old, forceful vs. weary, and, of course, black vs. white.

6:10
[Comment From Chris B]
Obama's speaking specifics, McCain is saying it'd be neat... not so good

6:12
[Comment From raisedbywolves]
oh obama, stop stuttering!

6:13
[Comment From Jubilation T. Cornball]
Lehrer is orchestrating stupid stuff

6:14
[Comment From Julie in Chicago]
The trying to get them to talk to each other thing didn't work because they sort of agree on the bailout conditions...

6:17 Dan Savage: Will he mention Palin's earmarks? She's the Welfare Queen of the Known Universe.

6:18
[Comment From Brian]
obama needs to talk about palin's earmarks
6:18
[Comment From Chris B]
They've been dodging Palin nicely so far....

6:18
[Comment From Chris B]
I was called the sheriff???

6:19
[Comment From AMB]
I have to hand it to McCain, he's a way better speaker than Bush.

6:19 Dan Savage: SARAH PALIN! I have "fought against" earmarks, says McCain, and then he picks Palin, who never saw a dollar in DC that she didn't think Jesus wanted Alaska to have. C'mon Obama! Bring up Palin!

6:20
[Comment From ica]
Engage Obama! Engage!

6:20
[Comment From Jen Graves]
I don't think Obama can bring up Palin. It will backfire somehow. Just my instinct.
6:20
[Comment From NaFun]
Palin isn't the issue here. It's been said before, Obama is running against McCain. bringing up Palin is a dead end

6:21
[Comment From Brian]
He can't talk to him! maybe it's because he's black...
6:21
[Comment From Battybuddy]
If Obama brings up Palin, you KNOW it's going to bite him in the ass.

6:21
[Comment From Krizpie Kreme]
Mention Palin already, Barry!

6:21
[Comment From Trstr]
"My friends." Drink!

6:22
Dan Savage: McCain is doing well here. You're right, Eli—they need to get off this subject. But Obama is LETTING MCCAIN RUN AWAY WITH THIS.

6:22
[Comment From Meinert]
I hate to say it, but McCain is holding his own and Obama isn't going after it too hard

6:23
[Comment From April in KC]
obama thus far is doing considerably better than he did in most debates with hillary.

6:23
Eli Sanders: No. Obama is missing a huge chance here...

6:23
[Comment From fruitcakepuppet]
Obama's hanging back, just like Kerry.

6:24
[Comment From Big Sven]
Both candidates are doing well tonight. Although McSame's smile is disconcerting.
6:24
[Comment From Jen Graves]
Yeah, what the hell is going on with Obama? DO IT, MAN.

6:24
[Comment From kerri harrop]
here comes obama...serious, he better him him hard now

6:25
Dan Savage: I'm hating this.

6:25
[Comment From Ian]
Of course he's got Bush's accent. He's got Bush's policies.
6:25
[Comment From Joey]
THANK YOU ECB! I was just saying the same thing. When did you have to affect a bad southern accent to be a conservative?
6:26
[Comment From jj]
obama needs to stay a step ahead...he's letting mccain set too much of the agenda

6:26
[Comment From used to blog]
Obama needs to smarten the f*ck up and pull this thing out of the weeds. Take big strategy, not small ball.
6:26
[Comment From Meinert]
obama better make a point people can understand and relate to pretty soon

6:27
[Comment From The CHZA]
jim lehrer is the last straight-up dude ever since peter jennings and tim russert died

6:29
[Comment From frizzelle]
Why is this SO BORING?!

6:30
[Comment From Meinert]
obama has the opportunity to go straigth at McCain and he's totally blowing it

6:30
[Comment From raisedbywolves]
oh, mccain just stole the defense spending thing from him.

6:30
[Comment From Tricia]
Why why why is Obama letting McCain get away with the argument that the government has gotten "out of control" without pointing ut that McCain has been IN thta government forever?!

6:31
[Comment From Medina]
McCain is scoring points by stating specific examples of how his experience has solved problems.

6:31
Dan Savage: I agree: McCain is winning this debate—why, I wonder, did he work so hard to avoid it? Was it simply to push back the Palin/Biden debate?

6:32
[Comment From Rose]
Obama needs to stop agreeing with "John."

6:32
[Comment From fruitcakepuppet]
All I'm hearing is how much these two clowns agree.

6:32
[Comment From mike k.]
jim lehrer is winning the debate



6:33
[Comment From Banna]
I hope Obama has a Steve Jobs-like "One more thing" up his sleeve.

6:34
[Comment From The CHZA]
if this is only an hour long obama's already taken a good dicking

6:36
[Comment From Medina]
McCain is controlling the debate, even though he is not saying anything substantive. C'mon Obama, say something!

6:38
[Comment From demo kid]
Orgy! DRINK!

6:38
[Comment From Ian]
Miss Congeniality, DRINK

6:39
[Comment From Mr. Poe]
They're pulling more than that, PopTart. This is indescribably disappointing. I'm glad I'm in a bar. If I were at home it would be epic. For the love of God, McCain is playing every card we mock him for. And you know they're working. Hey, nice Palin remark.

6:39
[Comment From Original Monique]
The BF says: Obama should combat the 'maverick' line by saying "I don't believe you were in top gun"

6:40
[Comment From Original Monique]
Let's start refering to Palin as Goose

6:41
[Comment From Medina]
McCain is playing this perfectly. He is hittng his points such as "maverick" and now "victory"

6:41
[Comment From OhHeyLisa]
yes, obama. tell us where you disagree.

6:41
[Comment From Banna]
Finally, get to the differences, Obama. Bring up...oh, he brought up the opposition to the war.

6:41
[Comment From whatwhat]
He better f*cking nail this

6:42
[Comment From fruitcakepuppet]
Too measured a response. No passion. Hang M. out to dry on the war or go home.

6:43
[Comment From mike k.]
all of Obama's statements start with a bang then fizzle

6:44
[Comment From Zephyr]
Oh f*ck, he's falling back on Joe Biden.

6:44
Dan Savage: This. Is. Bad.

6:44
[Comment From Dubcek]
He. Is. Not. Attacking.

6:44
[Comment From Nic]
Worst. Debate. Ever.

6:45
[Comment From Julie in Chicago]
Obama didn't go to Iraq for 900 days. Didn't request a meeting with Patraeus. Not good.

6:45
Eli Sanders: Here we go. "You were wrong... you were wrong... you were wrong."

6:45
Dan Savage: "You like to pretend like the war started in 2007. It started in 2003." Good one. Okay, now Obama is on a roll. "You said you knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. You were wrong. You said we would be greeted as liberators. You were wrong."

6:46
[Comment From Jen Graves]
Whoa: Not understanding the difference between a tactic and a strategy. This McCain is actually not a bad debater. F*cker.

6:46
Dan Savage: Sen. Obama just acknowledged the sucess of the surge, you wrinkled old fart.

6:47
[Comment From Jessica]
Mr. McCain, can you show me the peace and prosperity in Iraq? Anywhere? Anywhere?

6:47
[Comment From yucca flower]
YOU CAN'T WIN IN IRAQ!!!

6:47
Eli Sanders: McCain is doing a very good job of sucking up time, interrupting Obama, interjecting. Obama, by being more polite, puts himself at a disadvantage...


6:48
[Comment From Ed]
Obama is warming to the game. A bit smoother than at the start.

6:48
[Comment From Meinert]
Obama is almost as good as Kerry at debating...not a good thing

6:50
[Comment From raisedbywolves]
call him a L I A R

6:51
[Comment From Zander]
This thing will score too closely. Obama needs to knock him down.

6:52
Dan Savage: "Pretty evenly matched debaters," says Josh Marshall at TPM. Sadly true.

6:53
[Comment From Balt-O-Matt]
But Dan. McCain won the Republican debates. He's a good debater.

6:53
[Comment From eric sic]
Obama is calm and confident. I don't think that's a disadvantage; McCain looks impetuous by comparison.

6:53
[Comment From Krizpie Kreme]
Evenly matched my ass! Obama's destroying Grandpa Simpson!

6:53
[Comment From jana]
pahkeestahn and taahleebahn...wtf Obama?

6:53
Dan Savage: WHAT? Did he just mention our "helping the Afghan freedom fighters"? Those same Afghan freedom fighters that became the Taliban? Al Kay-duh?

6:55
[Comment From Nic]
McCain: Knew Alexander the Great, Invented the Blackberry

6:55
[Comment From Matthew]
Obama is WAY too polite.

6:55 [Comment From Mother] They are evenly matched. BUT this might work. When Gore and Kerry handed Bush his ass, they lost. So, this might work. I don't know how. But it might.

6:57
[Comment From yucca flower]
Die, geezer, die!!! Crush him under your heel, Obama!

6:59
Dan Savage: John McCain wears bracelets.

7:00
[Comment From Original Monique]
John McCain is gay....only the gays wear bracelets

7:00
Eli Sanders: You know, McCain is doing a much better job of swinging between specific policies, personal anecdotes, tales from the trail, and bold statements.

7:00
[Comment From Brian]
face it: McCain's doing pretty well in this debate. For a dead guy.

7:00
[Comment From Karlheinz Arschbomber]
Bracelet wars!

7:00
[Comment From Squidder]
WHAT! DUELING BRACELETS!

7:00
[Comment From Mr. Poe]
WTF is wrong with them? Bracelets are gay.

7:00
[Comment From brooklyn]
"I have a bracelet too..." Why?? Why???

7:01
[Comment From Jessica]
I've got a bracelet, too. Oooh, can Stephen Colbert get in on bracelet wars?

7:01
[Comment From levide]
Bracelets after Labor Day?

7:01
[Comment From Medina]
This is brutal. Neither are saying anything substantive.

7:02
ECB: Obama is being a little too cerebral here. The American (whoops, Ahmuhrcun) people speak retardese, remember?

7:03
[Comment From Elliott]
Missed opportunity. Obama should have said "I have a bracelet too, what I don't have is 12 cars and 8 houses."

7:04
[Comment From dave37]
holocaust reference! My Jewish brothers drink!

7:04
[Comment From Original Monique]
Omg, I got a REAL Alaskan here at my party....he is giving hilarious anecdotes about Palin

7:05
Eli Sanders: Ok, I'm going to run a quick poll. Everyone can keep writing and commenting while it's running, don't worry... But tell me: Who do you think is winning?

[The poll was 57% Obama, 43% McCain]

7:06
Dan Savage: Sorry, Sloggers. I detect some wishful thinking in your voting on the poll. I think McCain is winning. Think middle Americans, not drunk libruls in bars in Seattle and New York and SF.

7:07
[Comment From Big Sven]
STOP SAYING "SENATOR MCCAIN IS RIGHT!" JEBUS!

7:08
[Comment From j]
stutter...first sign of a stroke. let's hope.

7:09
[Comment From John]
Actually f*cking up that name with probably endear him to middle America. F*cking breadbasket motherf*ckers.



7:10
[Comment From matt]
Obama's answer here pwns McCain - Kissinger!! Ahmedinejad is not the most powerful man in Iran

7:10
[Comment From Big Sven]
Kissinger- no preconditions- OUCH!

7:11
[Comment From Spidey Kat]
Obama is being way too cerebral here... What Amuricans thrive on is hate...hate...hate....

7:11
Eli Sanders: "I recall that I was called naive..." Memo to Obama: Don't bring up a criticism if it's not being lobbed at you. Just shoot down the ones that are already on the stage.

7:12
[Comment From pam]
McCain looks like something out of a horror movie. Or a Scooby Doo episode.

7:12
Dan Savage: Spain dig—good!

7:13
ECB: Obama just gave McCain a Cleveland Steamer

7:15
[Comment From The General]
Oh god. This is not good.

7:15
[Comment From John]
McCain just kicked Obama's ass all over the stage

7:15
[Comment From Jubilation T. Cornball]
Henry Kissinger. Wow, what staying power he has. That old ego-maniac must be loving this.

7:15
[Comment From drinking heavily]
Oh, god, stop letting McCain interrupt, Obama! F*ck! Take charge!

7:16
[Comment From Liz]
I'm not feeling good about this right now...

7:16
[Comment From Nic]
GAWD DAMNIT OBAMA! Shut this sh*t down!

7:16
[Comment From kerri harrop]
i wish mccain would say something crazy, like he nailed nancy reagan. or babs bush

7:17
[Comment From Medina]
Obama has been on the defensive the last few minutes. He needs to go on the offensive and make a point that will resonate with Americans.

7:18
[Comment From AMB]
McCain is kicking his ass, I think. Obama is kind of coming off like Kerry I think.

7:19
[Comment From Ryan]
You down with K-G-B?

7:19
Eli Sanders: How many times is McCain going to say "he doesn't understand"? (Answer: As many times as Obama allows.)

7:19
[Comment From pam]
The MSNBC gang says the debates didn't really affect the outcome of the last election. Thoughts?

7:20
[Comment From pjneet1]
This debate is lacking in the kind of simple bitchslaps that get average Americans interested.

7:20
[Comment From Zephyr]
How many, say, undecided Florida or Ohio voters would you guess are still watching this?

7:20
[Comment From pjneet1]
This debate is lacking in the kind of simple bitchslaps that get average Americans interested.

7:20
[Comment From Zephyr]
How many, say, undecided Florida or Ohio voters would you guess are still watching this?

7:20
[Comment From AMB]
Obama comes across as wimpy. Too professorial.

7:21
[Comment From Mac]
Is there any place John McCain hasn't been? (I mean, besides the Senate floor this year.)

7:21
[Comment From Dominic Holden]
I think sex is the only thing that can help me now

7:22
[Comment From Beth]
Sex would be a very welcome relief from this boredom.

7:22
[Comment From fruitcakepuppet]
I'm convinced. Obama is John Kerry.

7:22
[Comment From Zephyr]
Oh christ. Senator McCain and I agree. Except for on this tiny, boring wonk-point which I will discuss for those of you who are taking notes in my PoliSci course.

7:22
[Comment From Chris in DK]
Unfortunately, Obama's using rather big words, too

7:22
[Comment From Liz]
Obama's too good for the presidency. F*ck this.

7:23
[Comment From elenchos]
I don't get why he doesn't slaughter the old man. I hate old people. Does he feel sorry for them because they're old?

7:24
[Comment From bearseatbeats]
I think that Obama just went totally off the question.

7:24
[Comment From matt]
Obama is shaken

7:25
[Comment From ambiturner]
Did it go from Russia to nuclear energy?

7:25
[Comment From OhHeyLisa]
where are obama's balls? must he continue to let mccain bowl him over?

7:25
[Comment From Cow]
Okay, interrupting is tricky, politically--if it makes him look strong or bitchy. But interrupting and failing is -bad-.

7:26
[Comment From raisedbywolves]
oh don't let him take the conversation away from you!

7:26
[Comment From Guest]
9/11! Drink!

7:27
[Comment From Skeets]
because he doesn't want to come across as an angry black man, sigh

7:27
[Comment From Thisbe]
Seriously, getting angry, interrupting, having bad manners, and being generally an asshole is Not Presidential. Even if it makes us mad that Obama acts like an adult because we would like to punch McCain, it's better that he stay calm.

7:28
[Comment From Cow]
Obama can nail this if he mentions rights including the second amendment. (Ugh second amendment, I know, but remember gun-toting f*cks in PA...)

7:28
[Comment From Zander]
Obama's mistake was treating this like a debate. It' not about McCain's record. It's about Obama's plan for the future.

7:29
[Comment From John]
Look Im a Republican and Obama is killing McCain.

7:29
[Comment From John]
Dude, torture is a no-win issue against McCain, are you f*cking kidding me?

7:29
Dan Savage: I have to agree with KC. Nothing memorable has come out of this debate. No killer line, no killer moment. We still have about two minutes, so... who knows? But I think this debate isn't going to make much of a difference. Back to the Palin Show tomorrow.

7:30
[Comment From Medina]
Obama looks much better than McCain. That might be enough.

7:30
[Comment From Tom]
why is Obama letting so many of McCain's bullsh*t answers go unresponded to? (torture current example)

7:30
[Comment From Will in STL]
yay! torture!

7:30
Dan Savage: "This is the greatest country on earth..."

I hate that. I think Denmark is the greatest country on earth.

7:30
[Comment From My Friends]
Has anyone figured out McCain's blinking pattern? I think it's a blink for every third syllable...

7:30
[Comment From matt]
again agrees with McCain f*cking a - Dan there will be soundbytes - but maybe not anything that will be remembered through the ages

7:31
[Comment From leda]
compulsive liers tend to blink a lot

7:32
[Comment From matt]
maybe I'm a liberal who is self-defeating, but I just don't feel Obama can call this anything but a draw at best - I think McCain has scored way more hits

7:32
Eli Sanders: I don't completely agree. I think McCain's mocking of Obama sitting down and talking with Ahmadinejad is going to be replayed quite a bit—it's a moment TV pundits will love—and I'm not sure there was an equivalent Obama slam. And, in general, McCain's mocking of Obama wasn't answered forcefully. But no substantive mistakes on either side, so probably a wash on that score.

7:32
[Comment From Medina]
oh, Obama is looking good now.

7:32
[Comment From Max]
yeah. this one's a draw.

7:33
[Comment From Scott]
Drudge Report has McCain winning 72% OUCH.

7:33
[Comment From Amanda]
I think Obama did not do well in this debate. But, the economy stuff now is good work.

7:34
[Comment From Balt-O-Matt]
This chat is full of a bunch of self-defeating liberals. Grow some, people. Jesus.

7:34
[Comment From superg]
all i have to say is I bet Hillary would have kicked McCain's ass

7:36
[Comment From Ian]
Good that Obama is speaking directly to the camera again.

7:36
[Comment From GrammarCop]
"My father came from Kenya" = "NOT THE MIDDLE EAST DUMBASSES"

7:37
[Comment From Mike Dinosaur]
I see your Kenya and I'll raise you a prison camp

7:37
[Comment From jj]
kenya vs. prison, not good folks

7:37
[Comment From drinking heavily]
Obama looks defeated. Not good.

7:37
[Comment From raisedbywolves]
goddamn, that was a bad ending

7:37
[Comment From Justin X]
God the VP debate will be a comedy show.

7:37
[Comment From elenchos]
There will not be a VP debate

7:37
[Comment From Nic]
You can't believe that Palin will actually debate, can you?

7:38
[Comment From Free Lunch]
That debate won't happen.

7:38
[Comment From jonathan golob]
I'm f*cking furious at Obama for being so unprepared tonight.

[Poll, "Who won?": 23% Obama, 20% McCain, 56% Lehrer]

7:38
[Comment From Original Monique]
Hahahaha the conservative here won't vote for McCain. He is just not voting \

7:38
[Comment From Julie K]
Ugh, That was painful

7:38
[Comment From Banna]
Is michelle obama wearing a couch cover?

7:39
[Comment From Jessica]
There is an excess of girlcrush on Michelle Obama at this party.

7:39
[Comment From GrammarCop]
Was Wolf Blitzer even LISTENING to the debate?

7:39
[Comment From Balt-O-Matt]
On PBS Brooks and Shields are giving props to Obama.

7:39
[Comment From Krizpie Kreme]
McCain definitely didn't win

7:39
[Comment From Nearly Normal Jimmy]
fox news is teasting the repeats of "I agree with. . .". Wait, why am I on Fox?

7:40
[Comment From pam]
Need cheerleading? Watch MSNBC

7:41
[Comment From Balt-O-Matt]
Remember, though, folks A DRAW IS AWESOME!! This is McCain's property.

7:42
[Comment From roots]
thanks for the live slog, folks

7:42
[Comment From GrammarCop]
I bet Obama agreed backstage not to talk about Palin. There were three or four moments he could have taken cheap -- but highly effective and legitimate -- shots. Even Republicans are embarrassed by her.

7:44
[Comment From jonathan golob]
This felt like a disaster to me. Am I alone?

[...no, you weren't alone. Ed. vbspurs]

Thoughts:

I can't believe how obsessed this liberal crowd were with Governor Palin. Until the bitter end, they were raising her spectre both mockingly and hoping against hope that Obama would somehow mention her for cheap shots. That would've been suicide, and he knows it, and furthermore, he wasn't EVER going to do so.

And look -- these are informal comments, which few of us should take overly serious. But they are telling because they reflect the condenscending tone to (a) America (b) average folk (c) the aged.



It's one thing to rail against MSNBC, but I personally found these comments so much more depressing. People really feel this way about their own countrymen.

Tell me how these people think that anyone who remotely reflects their values will be given the keys to the American state? It's mindboggling.

Palin was right, but wrong too.

Maybe Obama would speak to people one way in San Francisco and another way in Scranton -- but his supporters speak the same dismissive way all the time.

So don't believe the talking heads today. Check out the commentary sections of all kinds of blogs.

The truth, as they say, is out there.

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8 Comments:

  • Vic-Thanks for the extract. It saved me the time (and resultant headache) required to surf a very long comment string.

    My opinion - McCain had better command of the facts. Obama had good memorized talking points, but a frightening lack of depth and experience.

    But, you know, he really cares about people, so his admirers will continue in full blind swoon mode.

    By Blogger Michael_H, at Sat Sep 27, 09:01:00 am GMT-4  

  • "I'm glad I'm in a bar."

    The quintessential Obama supporter: commenting away on his iphone while watching the debate at a bar?

    By Blogger JSU, at Sat Sep 27, 09:23:00 am GMT-4  

  • People really feel this way about their own countrymen.

    You're right, it is scary. And I think McCain missed an opportunity last night on this very subject. Obama ended the debate very negative on America. McCain should have said "This is a very important distinction between us. Mr. Obama believes the whole world reviles us, and that we deserve it. I, on the other hand, love my country and think we are the greatest on the planet."

    Anyway, kudos for even looking at a lefty comments thread. I stay away because it's so depressing.

    By Blogger knox, at Sat Sep 27, 09:24:00 am GMT-4  

  • That was cool Victoria . It gave me a real time look-see at how the libs were reacting to the debate (which I did not watch).

    Very interesting that the MSM spin is "Obama won" or "draw" or "no meaningful conslusion". I am shocked of course (not).

    Thanks

    By Blogger AJ Lynch, at Sat Sep 27, 10:15:00 am GMT-4  

  • 6:26 comment from used to blog:

    Obama needs to smarten the fuck up and pull this thing out of the weeds. Take big strategy, not small ball.

    I don't think Obama will take that good advice.

    By Blogger chickenlittle, at Sat Sep 27, 11:37:00 am GMT-4  

  • As a longtime fan of the Leafs, I resemble that photograph. (Terribly depressing it is. Much heartbreak over the childhood years.)

    By Blogger Ben (The Tiger), at Sat Sep 27, 05:11:00 pm GMT-4  

  • Of course, Vic, depending on left-leaning liveblogging is your first mistake. Never underestimate the propensity of us liberals to see pending doom in every insignificant hand gesture or stutter. That comes from the same place as Cubs fans' ability to see the same originates (though this year is 100 anniversary of the Tinker-to-Evers-to-Chance infield that last won a world series for the 'munchkins of the midway,' so we've won a few at least since then.) Call it the 'battered-loser' syndrome.

    However, in the polls of those who matter (with the possible exceptions of Ann, and Indy Voter over at CHT, blogger who writes political commentary has undoubtedly decided who they will vote for already.

    Obviously, for example, we both saw the debate through our respective ideological prism. Obviously I saw Obama as the clear winner and you saw McCain as the clear winner.

    In a CBS poll of uncommitted voters, 39% said that Obama won the debate, 24% thought McCain won and 37% called it a tie.

    These are the people still up for grabs, most of whom have reservations and things they like about both candidates and among those, Obama won solidly if not overwhelmingly.

    Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/27/opinion/polls/main4482119.shtml

    You know what? This year, in 2008, those cubbies are back in the playoffs again, and this time they've got Steve Bartman bound with duct tape and locked in an undisclosed and very secure underground location with armed guards stationed outside the entrance at least five miles from Wrigley field.

    This could be an epic year in the state of Illinois and in the City by the Lake if the Cubs and Obama can both pull out a win.

    By Blogger Eli Blake, at Sat Sep 27, 09:30:00 pm GMT-4  

  • It's the will-to-power.

    We see the truth.

    We say what we wish were the truth.

    The truth becomes what we wish.

    The proof is right there: Those people saw Obama get a shellacking and yet 99% of them voted him the winner.

    And, as we've seen, there's never a shortage of committed leftists willing to pretend to be neutral or righties.

    By Blogger blake, at Sun Sep 28, 04:49:00 am GMT-4  

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