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Saturday, February 17, 2007

Bill Clinton At The University of Miami




I'm going.

Thursday, March 1, 2007
4 p.m. (Doors open at 3 p.m.)
BankUnited Center
at the University of Miami
1245 Dauer Drive
Coral Gables Campus

I still haven't blogged about Supreme Court Chief Justice John D. Roberts' visit to the University of Miami's Convocation Centre, which hosted his visit last year and will now host one by the ex-President of the United States, but I shall.

That was perhaps the best 1-hour interview I have ever seen conducted live.





The well-spoken, and extremely personable SCOTUS Chief was in full volume, and as a graduate of the University of Oxford, believe me, I've been privileged to hear in person, everyone from Nelson Mandela to Salman Rushdie to the Queen of Spain.

...Roberts blew them away.

But something tells me the charismatic Mr. Clinton will top that performance. We'll see.

Either way, God willing if I'm there, Sundries readers will be there too.

UPDATE: A dear British friend asks via email, if I will be taking any photographs of the event. I will try my best!

I did with Roberts. I have only ONE good photo that turned out well, since I used my cellphone at the time, and very quickly.

See, before you got to go inside, all women had to open their purses, and perhaps men were frisked as well, I'm not sure. There were these tables near the step entrance, that you see in the photo of the Convocation Centre.

So, well might you ask if that were the case, and no cellphones with cameras, let alone no cameras themselves were allowed, how did I sneak mine in?

Ah.

Don't ask.

Anyway, it didn't hurt (much).

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29 Comments:

  • He was interviewed by Jan Crawford Greenburg, IIRC? Best Supreme Court reporter in the country, by quite some way, IMO.

    Me, I'm going to Chiacgo next weekend. :)

    By Blogger Simon, at Sat Feb 17, 08:26:00 pm GMT-5  

  • I'd sooner buy newly-autographed OJ memorabilia...

    By Blogger JSU, at Sat Feb 17, 11:54:00 pm GMT-5  

  • And before you say "it's about the office"...

    I'm quite willing to put aside Clinton's foibles while President for the sake of that office he held. For the office is too large for any man, and none come through unscathed. He was a poor President, who damaged the office, but hardly the worst.

    But he is also a rapist. This is no difference in policy judgment: it's a personal crime of the most vile sort. Holding office cleanse that? Never, never, never.

    I am appalled that it is convenient to forget this, and more appalled that convenience is sufficient for most.

    By Blogger JSU, at Sun Feb 18, 12:08:00 am GMT-5  

  • Enjoy yourself there.

    It doesn't say who will be doing the grilling, and or fawning over #42.

    I'm betting there will be more fawning, less grilling.

    By Blogger XWL, at Sun Feb 18, 12:35:00 am GMT-5  

  • e was interviewed by Jan Crawford Greenburg, IIRC? Best Supreme Court reporter in the country, by quite some way, IMO.

    I suspect you have a lot more insight on the topic -- possibly have read her column and/or book on the topic, than I have.

    But as I said on Althouse when I mentioned this visit a few weeks ago, I wasn't AT ALL impressed by Mrs. Crawford Greenburg.

    I'll be talking about that in my future blogpost.

    Me, I'm going to Chiacgo next weekend. :)

    Nice!

    Talk about hitting all the topics of the day:

    Debate - Religion in the Public Square

    Panel - What is Morality? The Philosophical and Theological Foundations of Moral Debate

    Debate - Same-Sex Marriage: Marriage, Public Policy, and the Constitution

    Panel - Government Promotion of Moral Issues

    Panel - Morality of First Amendment Jurisprudence


    Only abortion is left out, and perhaps it's covered in morality, who knows.

    Good stuff, Simon. I can't wait to read your report, on Stubbornfacts. :)

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 12:36:00 am GMT-5  

  • JSU wrote:

    1- I'd sooner buy newly-autographed OJ memorabilia...

    2- And before you say "it's about the office"...

    You know me too well, darling. :)

    I'm quite willing to put aside Clinton's foibles while President for the sake of that office he held. For the office is too large for any man, and none come through unscathed. He was a poor President, who damaged the office, but hardly the worst.

    But the problem is that I don't think his record was as poor as you say.

    In many ways, it was disastrous -- in terms of dealings with China it bordered on the treasonous.

    In terms of dealing with the rising Islamic threat, it bordered on the amateurish and half-hearted, all because his poll numbers not his convictions, were most important for him.

    But in many other ways, it was a steady helmsmanship completely in tune with his times.

    But he is also a rapist. This is no difference in policy judgment: it's a personal crime of the most vile sort. Holding office cleanse that? Never, never, never.

    Since I know to what you refer, I just want it known to others than JSU is not necessarily talking of Monica Lewinsky here.

    And may I remind you that JFK was also accused of rape whilst in office, and certainly, before he attained the presidency.

    Personal foibles of a sexual nature have never played a very large role in my imagination.

    I am much more concerned with President Clinton's legacy of PERSONAL corruption, deceit, and double-dealing.

    The Marc Rich incident is merely a drop in the bucket.

    I am appalled that it is convenient to forget this, and more appalled that convenience is sufficient for most.

    But I am an historian, JSU.

    If I have studied and can distance myself from Hitler, whatever my personal ideas of Mr. Clinton, you think I couldn't study, meet, or speak about him as one would an historical figure without any type of moral disgust overcoming my dealings?

    Of course I can.

    Indeed, I must.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 12:44:00 am GMT-5  

  • Enjoy yourself there.

    It doesn't say who will be doing the grilling, and or fawning over #42.

    I'm betting there will be more fawning, less grilling.


    Remember that Dr. Shalala, the UM President was his Sec'y of Health and Human Services, before being president of U of Wisconsin (Brother Darryl can speak about her at length, I've no doubt, because he works there still).

    I've NO DOUBT that this is the coup of her presidency at UM, one that follows quick on the heels of the eminently successful visit to UM, by the Chief, as I mentioned.

    That's some pull this woman has got.

    BTW, and please treat this as mere speculation (one which IS common knowledge down here, however), but word has it that Dr. Shalala and Janet Reno are just more than friends.

    Thus, there might be a dual influence in bringing him to South Florida, than just Dr. Shalala.

    Remember, it was ex-local DA Janet Reno, then Atty General, who saved Mr. Clinton from greater legal investigation on all those matters.

    He owes her big time.

    Tad Foote, the long-time president of UM before Shalala, was a son-in-law of Senator Fulbright of AK, but even he couldn't get Clinton down here, back then.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 12:52:00 am GMT-5  

  • "But I am an historian, JSU.

    If I have studied and can distance myself from Hitler, whatever my personal ideas of Mr. Clinton, you think I couldn't study, meet, or speak about him as one would an historical figure without any type of moral disgust overcoming my dealings?"


    You could, of course. Should you?

    Hitler is dead. Clinton is alive, and only incidentally part of history: audiences like this legitimize him socially now.

    The OJ analogy is entirely serious. Would you have published the book? Bought a copy?

    Would you accept an invitation to drink champagne with Kim Jong Il to help show his hip normality?

    I'm afraid my comments are turning this into a political blog, but then again I'm uncomfortable with recent posts' JFKJr-style recasting of political subjects as something else. One can't make a silk purse out of a politician's ear.

    By Blogger JSU, at Sun Feb 18, 01:51:00 am GMT-5  


  • You could, of course. Should you?


    Yes. I am not an absolutist, or a moralist.

    I don't mean this as a rebuke, but merely to frankly tell you my motivations. :)

    Hitler is dead. Clinton is alive, and only incidentally part of history: audiences like this legitimize him socially now.

    He's the ex-President of the US, and as such, he would be lionised no matter what.

    That will be the case with Bush 43, in time. Bank on it.

    Time is the hated's best friend.

    The OJ analogy is entirely serious. Would you have published the book? Bought a copy?

    Not published, not bought.

    But read? Without a shadow of a doubt, YES.

    In either published or verbal form, it would not matter to me one whit.

    Would you accept an invitation to drink champagne with Kim Jong Il to help show his hip normality?

    I'm afraid my comments are turning this into a political blog, but then again I'm uncomfortable with recent posts' JFKJr-style recasting of political subjects as something else. One can't make a silk purse out of a politician's ear.

    Believe me, I understand.

    As I say, we come to the same topic as those who lean a certain way, in different directions and with oft-times with different viewpoints.

    I think at heart I am a little less doctrinaire than you, but perhaps that's what gives you a certain purity in your ideological grounding.

    Alas, I just don't have it in me, at the almost great age of 32, to change.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 02:11:00 am GMT-5  

  • Apropos to my meeting President Clinton.

    Should the opportunity arise, I will happily shake his hand, pose for a photograph with him, and if he should have time, exchange pleasantries of the social kind with him.

    Now, I cannot stand him, but I will do so for the same reason I found Senator Jim Webb's recent behaviour in the White House, appalling and disgusting.

    When the current President graciously asked about the newly-elected Senator from VA's son, who is serving in Iraq, Senator Webb took the opportunity to avoid the reception line, didn't shake the President by the hand, and generally acted in a boorish fashion.

    Now, you may think that I am a lightweight when it comes to convictions, or even there are those who might think I am entranced by the celebrity of a celebrity in front of me.

    I assure that is not the case.

    It's just that I have a sense of occasion.

    This is probably why I would have made an excellent diplomat, but for the fact that I cannot stand diplomats.

    They have to deal with the devil, and smile throughout.

    I both hate that about me, and yet, would never change.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 02:20:00 am GMT-5  

  • P.S.: All bets are off with Castro.

    His bodyguards would have to pry me off.

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 02:22:00 am GMT-5  

  • Should the opportunity arise, I will happily shake his hand, pose for a photograph with him, and if he should have time, exchange pleasantries of the social kind with him.

    If you stand next to him, just make sure you keep an eye on where his hands are going.

    By Blogger Ploorian, at Sun Feb 18, 02:29:00 am GMT-5  

  • What kind of image would you have taken with Castro, Victoria? The mind boggles!

    By Blogger Ron, at Sun Feb 18, 02:36:00 am GMT-5  

  • There used to be a guy here in Ann Arbor named Faz, whom no one ever called Faz, but Hello, Faz! which was the name of his pizza joint. Somehow, Mr. Faz managed to get his picture with everyone under the sun, (Clinton, both Bushies, Carter, Mother Theresa, etc.) and he always managed to include these in his pizza flyers...He passed away last year, but what a thing to be remembered for...

    By Blogger Ron, at Sun Feb 18, 02:39:00 am GMT-5  

  • Oh, if only Mae West and Clinton had existed(in their prime of course!) at the same time! Yowsa!


    Verif word: iobay. Is that 'I Obey'? or a new auction site?

    By Blogger Ron, at Sun Feb 18, 07:34:00 am GMT-5  

  • If you stand next to him, just make sure you keep an eye on where his hands are going.

    Wouldn't it be a hoot if I wore a beret?

    And a little blue Gap dress?

    (Well, on me it would be little)

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 11:24:00 am GMT-5  

  • What kind of image would you have taken with Castro, Victoria? The mind boggles!

    Ummmm, one of me grabbing him by the throat and his handlers having to pry me off.

    If you think a Miami delegation couldn't get close to him, if Che Guevara's life depended on it, you're mistaken!

    God, I have been trying to remember the name of this lady lawyer (starts with an M, and she's got a double-surname, I think), who had once run for Mayor of Miami!, and who went to Cuba one day, only to find herself in front of rolling cameras which obviously she wasn't aware was capturing her every word.

    You know what this lady said, with tears in her eyes as she greeted him hugging his arms?

    "You are my teacher (mestre). I have learnt so much from you."

    Yech!

    You can imagine Cuban reaction afterwards. They sent bomb threats to her legal office, since it is the equivalent of a Jewish person going up to Hitler, and saying the same thing...

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 11:35:00 am GMT-5  

  • There used to be a guy here in Ann Arbor named Faz, whom no one ever called Faz, but Hello, Faz! which was the name of his pizza joint. Somehow, Mr. Faz managed to get his picture with everyone under the sun, (Clinton, both Bushies, Carter, Mother Theresa, etc.) and he always managed to include these in his pizza flyers...He passed away last year, but what a thing to be remembered for...

    Ah, but for people like that, isn't that the point?

    To be remembered? You still do!

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 11:38:00 am GMT-5  

  • Magda Montiel-Davis!

    It came to me, as I was eating my cornflakes. :)

    And here is a post on the topic of this lawyer's meeting with Fidel Castro, by way of libelling the name of Cuban-American patriot, Jorge Mas Canosa -- she wrote an editorial to the Miami Horrible about it, unrepetant to the end.

    It's via our own Robert of 26th Parallel fame.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 12:04:00 pm GMT-5  

  • Wouldn't it be a hoot if I wore a beret?

    And a little blue Gap dress?


    Hah! I wouldn't be surprised if it's happened before (and not just with That Woman who he did not have sexual relations with).

    By Blogger Ploorian, at Sun Feb 18, 12:18:00 pm GMT-5  

  • The Clinton Administration connections at UofM don't automatically suggest that this will be a friendly chat where nothing but softballs are tossed his way.

    Sometimes it's your 'friends' who feel more compelled to be critical and confrontational then your 'enemies'.

    He's mostly about getting his wife elected now (it would seem), so this might be the beginning of a more earnest run at "First Gentleman" (if anyone was less deserving of that title...).

    Both Clintons aren't well liked by 'progressives' within their party, so it's possible that the questioner will be a sinistral attacker on #42, but I doubt it, he probably only agreed to this chat with approval of the questioner and knowledge of the questions (but with the understanding that they'll both pretend it's all so 'off the cuff' and informal).

    As far as Gap dresses, I'm sure you'd pull it off with aplomb (though I never thought Lewinsky looked bad in hers, some women do 'zaftig' well, but saving the evidence, ewwwwwwwwwww!)

    And as far as #42 acting as #44's (if that horrid event happened) "First Gentleman", I bet they'll put Chelsea in that role instead, and have Clinton's daughter perform "First Lady" duties during a Clinton II administration (which thankfully, will never happen)

    By Blogger XWL, at Sun Feb 18, 12:57:00 pm GMT-5  


  • Hah! I wouldn't be surprised if it's happened before (and not just with That Woman who he did not have sexual relations with).


    Not once! No sir.

    BTW, you know that I read in an Irish blog once that someone had tallied up the time Mr. and Mrs. Clinton have spent together, since 2001, when he left the White House?

    (An Irish blog because I presume the Irish know a lot about him. He has a third/fourth home on a golf course there, which he apparently visits frequently. He also apparently uses Barbara Streisand's London pad, a lot)

    It totaled at the time, to about 325 days together -- less than a year's worth in 6 years.

    You telling me he hasn't had any nookie since then?

    Like for example, not with Canadian socialites? ;)

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 01:20:00 pm GMT-5  

  • You telling me he hasn't had any nookie since then?

    Bill CLinton not chasing tail is like a fish not swimming.

    "Hey, baby, do you have a little ex-President in you? Would you like to?"

    By Blogger Ploorian, at Sun Feb 18, 01:27:00 pm GMT-5  

  • The Clinton Administration connections at UofM don't automatically suggest that this will be a friendly chat where nothing but softballs are tossed his way.

    Sometimes it's your 'friends' who feel more compelled to be critical and confrontational then your 'enemies'.


    You're right.

    But I suspect this will be a love-in, rather than Kent State target practise.

    Miami is great, but we're a young city, still a little unsure of ourselves.

    Like many societies just getting their bearings culturally, we are the kind to like the established, rather than court the extreme, or experimental.

    That's why the FGO plays Carmen, and the Barber of Seville to record crowds, but wouldn't dare put on any Pierre Boulez.

    We're not there yet, where we can thumb our nose at the Old Guard of culture.

    Not ONE person spoke out, made a noise, or was in any way disrespectful during Chief Justice Roberts talk.

    And though of course, there would be less cause because he's not a politician, and not tied to the Iraq War, I suspect that Code Pinkos, e.g., would give Clinton a bye at this event too.

    Having said that, ooh. I hadn't thought of this possibility arising, XWL.

    Now, I have a nervousness about the event, I didn't before.

    A good nervousness, not an one bad one as in "bomb threat", "protesters" etc., but still.

    He's mostly about getting his wife elected now (it would seem), so this might be the beginning of a more earnest run at "First Gentleman" (if anyone was less deserving of that title...).

    Ugh, ain't that the truth.

    Both Clintons aren't well liked by 'progressives' within their party, so it's possible that the questioner will be a sinistral attacker on #42, but I doubt it, he probably only agreed to this chat with approval of the questioner and knowledge of the questions (but with the understanding that they'll both pretend it's all so 'off the cuff' and informal).

    That's it exactly, you see.

    BTW, I hope they sure as HECK do a better job with the mics this time.

    With Roberts, you could hear feedback (yes!) and crackles, which surely must've been disconcerting to him, and for us the audience, it was embarrassing.

    A multi-billion dollar entity like UM...and they have a sound system like that to showcase for the Chief.

    Thank God it didn't happen during the Presidential debate in '04!!

    As far as Gap dresses, I'm sure you'd pull it off with aplomb (though I never thought Lewinsky looked bad in hers, some women do 'zaftig' well, but saving the evidence, ewwwwwwwwwww!)

    You know, I didn't think she was THAT bad.

    But in terms of the kind of woman a President could get, esp. regarding the "Women" of JFK, dayyyyum.

    And as far as #42 acting as #44's (if that horrid event happened) "First Gentleman", I bet they'll put Chelsea in that role instead, and have Clinton's daughter perform "First Lady" duties during a Clinton II administration (which thankfully, will never happen)

    Hey! Good prediction.

    One which I think will bear out, come to think of it.

    Much better than my "Cheney will step down before the end of the year, 2006".

    Yeah, great prediction, Vics.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Feb 18, 01:29:00 pm GMT-5  

  • You know, I didn't think she was THAT bad.

    But in terms of the kind of woman a President could get, esp. regarding the "Women" of JFK, dayyyyum.


    For a boy from Arkansas, and a notorious horndog, I'm sure she looked pretty good. And then there was her willingness to submit herself to the "cigar treatment".

    If you aren't model thin then you are automatically "fat". Charles Barkley was on Leno(?) recently talking about how much of a fatso he's become. He didn't look at all fat to me.

    By Blogger Ploorian, at Sun Feb 18, 02:33:00 pm GMT-5  

  • Victoria - I thought about podcasting a report, actually. ;) I have a four hour drive to kill time on, and I figured I could fit a microphone to the van's dashboard and run it into the powerbook. I just don't know if I have time this week to get that organized.

    IIRC, you feel that JCG throws softballs, but two points in response. First, if you've not seen it, I'll have to send you a link to a Scalia/Breyer debate that she moderated; there are a couple of places where she smiles coyly, asks a polite question and just drops Breyer off a cliff with it. So I think it's a venus flytrap approach. "Atilla the Honey" as Tori Amos might put it.

    And second, she has a very good grasp of the material, she writes fluently, and most of all, she throws straight dice. I have no idea what her personal politics are, which is quite an achievement in a field where Nina Totenberg, Dahlia Lithwick, Linda Greenhouse et al, whatever their merits as writers may be, their opinion oozes from every corner of every report.

    (Of course, I'm now terribly jealous of Lithwick, speaking of).

    By Blogger Simon, at Sun Feb 18, 03:03:00 pm GMT-5  

  • Wow! If Chelsea Clinton could only marry Mary Cheney in Massachusetts, Teddy Kennedy and Mit Romney presiding, and then they could run for office, and all of America's psychic wounds would be healed!

    By Blogger Ron, at Sun Feb 18, 03:08:00 pm GMT-5  

  • Wow! If Chelsea Clinton could only marry Mary Cheney in Massachusetts, Teddy Kennedy and Mit Romney presiding, and then they could run for office, and all of America's psychic wounds would be healed!

    Only an Oprah presidency can truly heal our psychic wounds.

    Oprah/Gail '08!

    By Blogger Ploorian, at Sun Feb 18, 03:14:00 pm GMT-5  

  • "You know, I didn't think [Lewinski] was THAT bad. But in terms of the kind of woman a President could get, esp. regarding the Women of JFK, dayyyyum."

    She had the misfortune of not being particularly photogenic, and of having a particularly bad drierslicense photograph of her becoming her public image, but when I've seen her interviewed on TV - "photogenic" not applying to moving pictures - she's looked pretty enough. I think zaftig is the right term for her - well proportioned, a little plump but pleasingly so. If Clinton doesn't go for the rake-thin supermodel type, I suppose that that's a mark -- a very, very lonely and isolated mark -- in his favor.

    By Blogger Simon, at Sun Feb 18, 03:26:00 pm GMT-5  

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