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Friday, March 23, 2007

Multi-culturalism 1 Germany 0

Disgraceful.

"A court in the western city of Frankfurt on Wednesday upheld a complaint of bias against the judge lodged by the lawyer of the 26-year-old woman, who has two children.

The woman had filed for immediate divorce on the grounds that the husband, also of Moroccan origin, regularly beat her and threatened to kill her. The claims were backed up by a police report. But the female judge, who has not been named, made clear in a letter that the wife’s bid had little chance of approval because, according to her, Islamic law allowed a man to strike his wife."


Please note that the judge who ruled that indeed, under shar'ia law, men are allowed to beat their wives, thus negating the grounds for divorce in Germany because...because why? Presumably because as a Muslim woman, she should have known better than to marry a Muslim man, even in Germany...was a LADY JUDGE.

Like the Monica Lewinsky case, I'd love to see how people of a certain political or philosophical stripe will defend this decision.

If they will stick to their principles of feminism, or if they use circular logic about this matter, again, just because it suits their needs.

Namely, which is more correct -- the kowtowing to the idea of a multicultural society, which has nuances, subtleties, and understanding of foreign customs "because that's what makes us a more multicultural nation by definition!!"?

-Or-

The ghastly decision of nominally allowing wife-beating to go uncensored, if only by denying a divorce petition to a battered woman?

Never mind the ruling. That is one lady judge in a nation which surely will not allow this decision to stand.





It's the principle of the thing, which should interest us.

Especially which principles, and who does the defending of them.

UPDATE: The judge has been removed from the case -- at least that.

"The judge, Christa Datz-Winter, said in a recommendation earlier this year that both partners came from a "Moroccan cultural environment, in which it is not uncommon for a man to exert a right of corporal punishment over his wife," the court said in a statement.

She argued that it was not an exceptional hardship case in which fast-track divorce proceedings would be justified."


Dear God. Seriously? Would this have been the case of a Christian German woman divorcing her husband?? A German resident is a German resident, subject to German law, regardless of origin or what her caste 'allows'.

The story is even more convoluted, and wrought with illogical reason, which of course is par for the course with anything multicultural.

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18 Comments:

  • At least they're not going to kill the cutest bear ever...

    By Blogger JSU, at Thu Mar 22, 11:44:00 pm GMT-4  

  • At least they're not going to kill the cutest bear ever...

    Knut, eh? That little white fluffy thing looks like a Sven. ;)

    P.S.: Wow, I thought you'd have more to say on this, my third post in a row in a week, on an Islamic topic on Sundries, ever!

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Fri Mar 23, 12:19:00 am GMT-4  

  • "Wow, I thought you'd have more to say on this, my third post in a row in a week, on an Islamic topic on Sundries, ever!"

    Sadly, these Euro-capitulation stories surprise me very little these days. It's the opposite reaction that's notable (and encouraging), like the German public and political outcry against this ruling, or the French acquittal of the cartoon reprinters, or the Cambridge kids fearlessly slagging Mo in print.

    (The fact that the Cambridge administration is going after the students is, of course, sad and predictable.)

    By Blogger JSU, at Fri Mar 23, 12:29:00 am GMT-4  

  • Sadly, these Euro-capitulation stories surprise me very little these days. It's the opposite reaction that's notable (and encouraging), like the German public and political outcry against this ruling, or the French acquittal of the cartoon reprinters, or the Cambridge kids fearlessly slagging Mo in print.

    (The fact that the Cambridge administration is going after the students is, of course, sad and predictable.)


    Well, I know there is very little to astonish you or anyone else on this matter, but I have always trusted you to come up with an original diatribe. ;)

    However, once I clicked on the Cam kids link on Melanie Phillips' site, I was taken to a commentary page, where most of the respondents seem to think that BNP are the way to go, to combat these "multi-cultural" problems which Britain, for one, faces.

    Let me state here and now that my beef with multi-culturalism, such what it is (a series of petty irritations, based on genuine concern that the Old World is losing sight of its cultural authenticity and intellectual rigour) has NOTHING to do with hatred, or race-baiting of any kind.

    That's the dreck practised by the racists that are the British National Party, of which IMO, no thinking human being should have truck with.

    For one, they ARE racists. For two, they are demagogic leftists, same as any proto-Fascists have traditionally been.

    Not that this was either here nor there to your comment, JSU.

    But since we're on the topic, I decided to broadcast my views on this, just the same.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Fri Mar 23, 01:06:00 am GMT-4  

  • BNP? Ugh.

    On the actual story, I wonder if the college reaction has to do with Oxbridge's role as favored finishing school to the Mideast oil class.

    By Blogger JSU, at Fri Mar 23, 01:24:00 am GMT-4  

  • BNP? Ugh.

    There you have it, ladies and gents.

    Two people who lean Right like JSU and myself, staunchly disgusted by the very thought of an entity such as the BNP.

    I often think that others not of our leanings confuse what the BNP stand for, as to what we would be more inclined to, as well.

    (Anymore than to be a Democrat means you are necessarily pro-Communist)

    And nothing could be further from the truth.

    On the actual story, I wonder if the college reaction has to do with Oxbridge's role as favored finishing school to the Mideast oil class.

    Seriously? :)

    No, JSU, that's just not the case.

    That's stretching an idea too far. Cambridge has ALWAYS been the more Leftist of the two Unis, as you know. That's all.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Fri Mar 23, 01:32:00 am GMT-4  

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    By Blogger Ron, at Fri Mar 23, 05:46:00 am GMT-4  

  • Not to interrupt a private conversation, may I throw in my two cents?

    1.) I think most people agree that in principle the ideas behind multicultralism are sound; exposure to cultures different than ones own,etc.

    2.) Multiculturalism goes awry when the idea of understanding other cultures gets intertwined with self-abrogation of one's own culture, and that this becomes part of the definition of MultiC, de facto. (that is, talking of the virtues of your culture necessarily means insulting another, but this doesn't work the other way around) Some people are fine with this debasement, but I suspect most are uncomfortable with it.

    3.) If you have vague uncomfortable feelings about that MultiC you can't articulate, you are then suppressed with a rather ugly tu quoque; If you don't believe about MultiC as I do, you must be a Facist!

    4.) Anger then kicks in, and you effectively say, "F.U., if your're going to call me a Facist, I might as well embrace the role." Just to thumb your nose at the MultiC people.

    5. Things then become circular. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    The cycle would be broken if you could find ways to criticize without automatic castigation. Fat Chance!

    (I like how a Fat Chance and a Thin Chance mean the same thing!)

    By Blogger Ron, at Fri Mar 23, 05:47:00 am GMT-4  

  • (Anymore than to be a Democrat means you are necessarily pro-Communist)

    What do you mean, that's not true???
    I have to get over to the Versailles and inform the guys!

    By Blogger Jose Aguirre, at Fri Mar 23, 09:18:00 am GMT-4  

  • 1.) I think most people agree that in principle the ideas behind multicultralism are sound; exposure to cultures different than ones own,etc.

    Absolutely.

    But there used to be a word for that, and it was just plain "worldliness".

    Multiculturalness is a whole movement, started sadly, by Woodrow Wilson's League of Nations' idea, then refined after WWII to include forced acceptance of foreign mores, attitudes, even laws (as seen here) in our societies.

    That goes for OUR values, in others' societies too, it goes without saying.

    2.) Multiculturalism goes awry when the idea of understanding other cultures gets intertwined with self-abrogation of one's own culture, and that this becomes part of the definition of MultiC, de facto. (that is, talking of the virtues of your culture necessarily means insulting another, but this doesn't work the other way around)

    Bang on, Ron.

    As one example, in Cuba as in all Communist countries, there is only one religion allowed, and that's Marxism.

    All other religions have these 45 years been ridiculed, and dismissed as "opium of the masses".

    Catholicism ESPECIALLY.

    But actually, that's not true because Santeria is lauded as an Afro-Cuban "religion", and encouraged by no less a person than Fidel Castro himself, who is a practioner, as every Cuban on the island knows.

    Other examples are the glorification of Buddhism and Hinduism, in comparison to Christianity, etc. but you stated it better than I.

    Some people are fine with this debasement, but I suspect most are uncomfortable with it.

    Then they should speak up. I know it's hard, but once you become stultified as a movement, you become as bad if not worse as the people you once rebelled against.

    3.) If you have vague uncomfortable feelings about that MultiC you can't articulate, you are then suppressed with a rather ugly tu quoque; If you don't believe about MultiC as I do, you must be a Facist!

    Alas, that is the rap people get.

    4.) Anger then kicks in, and you effectively say, "F.U., if your're going to call me a Facist, I might as well embrace the role." Just to thumb your nose at the MultiC people.

    Well, that's silly too.

    5. Things then become circular. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    Rubber ducky vibrator. ;)

    The cycle would be broken if you could find ways to criticize without automatic castigation. Fat Chance!

    EXACTLY.

    (I like how a Fat Chance and a Thin Chance mean the same thing!)

    It's like flammable and inflammable. :)

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Fri Mar 23, 12:51:00 pm GMT-4  

  • What do you mean, that's not true???

    Hey, Truman and Johnson (maybe Kennedy if you include Vietnam, but subtracted Cuba...) sent troops to fight Commies, and they were Dems!

    I have to get over to the Versailles and inform the guys!

    Mmm, un cortadito para llevar, pa' mi, Jose. ;)

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Fri Mar 23, 12:54:00 pm GMT-4  

  • With regard to that bear story - that's a fake. Bloody Bild newspaper probably intentionally misreported that quote.
    Killing of that polar bear was NEVER an issue.

    Btw, justice-wise... Magdeburg are going to play Dynamo Dresden tomorrow, and I've never seen as much security here before. Horrible circumstances, with people being banned from the entire eastern part of the city...
    Ah well...wsa that off-topic? *g*

    By Blogger madcynic, at Fri Mar 23, 05:39:00 pm GMT-4  

  • With regard to that bear story - that's a fake. Bloody Bild newspaper probably intentionally misreported that quote.
    Killing of that polar bear was NEVER an issue.


    Well, fudge, Malte. You had to go and bring facts into the matter. ;)

    Btw, justice-wise... Magdeburg are going to play Dynamo Dresden tomorrow, and I've never seen as much security here before. Horrible circumstances, with people being banned from the entire eastern part of the city...
    Ah well...wsa that off-topic? *g*


    Soccer is never OT on my blog! :)

    Dynamo Dresden...Magdeburg. Oh boy. A very contentious battle brewing, I'm sure.

    I'm taking you'll go? If so, be careful!

    I know you like the standing room only section, and that's usually where the trouble is at...

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Fri Mar 23, 11:53:00 pm GMT-4  

  • I was shocked when I read that yesterday. That judge should never be allowed to hear a case again.

    Ontario was going to allow sharia law tribunals to hear family disputes in addition to the Catholic and Jewish tribunals that already exist but will ban them all instead.

    That was the right move as there ashould be one rule for all.

    By Blogger Renato, at Sat Mar 24, 02:04:00 pm GMT-4  

  • I know you like the standing room only section, and that's usually where the trouble is at...

    I do indeed, because that's where I don't have to apologise for shouting at the ref ;)
    Btw: Us 1, them 0. And 20,011 people watching and about 1,000 policemen working.

    By Blogger madcynic, at Sat Mar 24, 06:20:00 pm GMT-4  

  • I was shocked when I read that yesterday. That judge should never be allowed to hear a case again.

    Quite.

    Ontario was going to allow sharia law tribunals to hear family disputes in addition to the Catholic and Jewish tribunals that already exist but will ban them all instead.

    Catholic and Jewish tribunals?? Man, that shouldn't have been allowed either.

    Like Canadian schoolkids going to private school, using State money, because of that weird Quebec loophole. ;)

    That was the right move as there ashould be one rule for all.

    Absolutely.

    I think the only individual courts of law we have in the US are: indian reservation rights/"law court" (right, JSU?), and military tribunals.

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Mar 25, 01:31:00 am GMT-4  

  • I do indeed, because that's where I don't have to apologise for shouting at the ref ;)

    FYI, I'm not a snob (55%) and love standing room. Only way to watch a soccer match. ;)

    Btw: Us 1, them 0. And 20,011 people watching and about 1,000 policemen working.

    WOW! Awesome, Malte. What a day it must've been for your city and more importantly, for you. :)

    I wish you blogged about it...or maybe you did over at RSS. ;)

    Cheers,
    Victoria

    By Blogger vbspurs, at Sun Mar 25, 01:32:00 am GMT-4  

  • I wish you blogged about it...or maybe you did over at RSS. ;)
    But I did. I was a little lost for words, but well...

    By Blogger madcynic, at Thu Mar 29, 02:40:00 pm GMT-4  

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